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inspiration and wonder. so, we say thank you america for a century of trust, for the privilege of flying higher and higher, together. ♪ m good morning. i'm alex witt at msnbc world heed quarters in new york. the race for the white house at both sides with fresh intrigue today including the battle between hillary clinton and bernie sanders with both taking aim at the gop front-runner. but sanders, including a jab at his democratic opponent. >> let me say a world or two about my good friend donald trump. just kidding. he's not my good friend. in fact, i never even went to one of his weddings. you know? i just never did.
>> three's company on the republican side. the remaining candidates on a western swing for states that vote tuesday and fighting over the last gop nominee. >> i very much appreciated governor romney's kind tweet today where he announced he was going to vote for me in the utah election. >> i have a lot of friends. by the way, mitt romney is not one of them. >> and at least one industry doesn't want donald trump or hillary clinton as the next president. the reason behind that, ahead. this is the police for politics. m. let's begin with the latest fight for votes ahead of tuesday's contest. republicans and democrats will hold a primary in arizona and caucus in utah. it's winner take all. three republicans in arizona. 58 dell gates at stake there. 85 for the democrats.
democrats will caucus in idaho. this was the scene outside of a trump rally in salt lake city, utah, yesterday. what began as peaceful protest turned into shoving match wes police after tension between trump supporters and protesters escalated. there weren't many interruptions inside the venue as donald trump tried to appeal to the state's religious faction. >> and do i love the mormons, okay? do i love the mormons. i have many friends that live in salt lake. i have a lot of friends. no, i have a lot of friends. by the way, mitt romney is not one of them. did he choke -- did this guy choke? he's a choke artist. i can't believe. are you sure he's a mormon? are we sure? >> well, mitt romney still hasn't formally endorsed anyone. he announced he will cast his ballot in utah for ted cruz. trump has two events in arizona today. ted cruz, tom kasich, focusing on utah.
bernie sanders is in arizona. in just a few hours he will hold a news conference at the u.s./mexico border in nagalos. yesterday, sanders without referencing donald trump by time called him out over rhetoric ability undocumented immigrants. >> when you have candidates for president and other people who are spewing out hatred and bigotry against mexicans. if elected president, we're going to put an end to that hatred and that bigotry. we're going to bring our people together. >> we have several reports from the campaign trail in arizona. danny freeman joins us from phoenix. hallie jackson is in tucson. about two hours southeast of phoenix. tony is in fountain hills. that is where we begin, tony covering the trump campaign. another good morning to you, tony. the protests have been following the campaign. do we expect more of them today? >> we do, alex. i'm here in fountain park which
is part of the planned community of fountain hills designeded by the same guy who designed disneyland. it's the selected by donald trump's campaign. it's believed to be selected by donald trump's campaign because it's the hometown of sheriff joe apaoai who is synonymous with the immigration fight here in arizona. before trump made a big issue out of it lawmakers here in this state and other elected officials did as well. sheriff joe is going to be campaigning alongside donald trump today in addition to running security because this is his hometown, his jurisdiction. and protesters have already announced that hundreds will show up and will take a firm stance against the intolerance that they see lining up along the border. remember, arizona has been a site for passionate, devisive and immigration for years now. this is a state where in 2010 so-called show me your papers law was passed. that was a law that required law enforcement to check the immigration status of anyone pulled over.
sheriff arpaoi himself was charge with unconstitutional police practices for targeting latinos because of the way they looked. we can expect a very, very fierce face-off here just one day after clashes in salt lake city went from peaceful to quite dramatic shoving matches in a matter of hours. >> you mentioned, sheriff joe arpaio there. how much do you think his presence flanking donald trump throughout the day today will help it inflame things? >> i think it's unquestionable that it's will inflame things. the arizona republic calculated over the last 20 years sheriff joe has cost the state about $130 million in legal fees alone. there is one act gist who activists against the sheriff every day for years. there is a long running wild and very dramatic confrontation with people opposed to sheriff
arpaio. it's a double whammy for people who want to oppose trump and the sheriff. let's go to the democratic race. bernie sanders is in arizona. nbc's danny freeman is in stew s tucson with the latest on that. what do we expect to hear from the sanders camp today? >> i think one thing you can certainly not expect to see is sheriff joe arpaio with him later today. i'm in tucson. in a couple of hours, 30 minutes down the road, senator sand ersz will hold a news conference at the u.s./mexico border. it's interesting because i think that senator sanders last night at his rally to thousands in tucson really telegraphed what we can expect today. we can expect to hear him talk about immigration reform and -- again in contract to is sheriff and senator sanders belief the majority of undocumented immigrants should be given a pathway to citizenship. in addition, i think we will hear a lot about not only sheriff joe arpaio who sanders said made a foil for himself over the past couple days after
his wife jane sanders met with him at one of his tent cities but i think you can also expect to hear about donald trump as we well. senator sanders is upping his rhetoric against donald trump in the past couple of day, making sure his supporters know that he intends to call donald trump out for, in senator sanders' words, hatred and bigotry towards mexicans and undocumented immigrants. i want to mention about looking forward for senator sanders. big rally in phoenix tonight. tomorrow he's going to washington, looking ahead of the arizona primary to northwest state where he feels he can do very well. it's interesting because after the campaign kind of crushing defeat this past tuesday, he has shown he can still turn out large crowds and large enthusiasm. in salt lake between 10 and 14,000 people. we will see if that enthusiasm continues throughout the weekend. alex? >> okay, thank you, danny for
that. let's bring in new york time national reporter and "washington post" political report. ladies, good to see you both on this saturday morning. i'm going to reach out to you first because in your latest piece you write about sanders starting to target donald trump. timing. why now? >> he's starting to really step up his attacks on donald trump now because he's really trying to come back from that really horrible tuesday he had. hillary clinton now we know swept this tuesday's elections. he's really trying to convince voter hs we can still win in the general election. really attacking donald trump shows that he can really be -- he can step up his attacks and he can compete in the general election. now while he obviously has to beat hillary clinton to get there, hillary clinton has kind of already started to pivot toward donald trump. she's already started to talk about that match-up there. if bernie sanders is trying to kind of remind people that while he lost on tuesday, he stem can win this and we ran a piece just this week that said, you know, even though bernie sanders had a really bad tuesday, in some ways if he really sweeps and really
wins by a large margins in these states coming up, kind ofs a danny said, he could still be in this race. up with of the things he's trying to do is remind people that there's a long way to go and that if he needs to, he can kind of step up that negative attacks. it's interesting to me because he made this comment that said even though i've never run a negative ad in my life i'm going to make an exception to donald trump. what he's trying to tell people is one of the things that hess really been struggling with his electability and people are wondering if he can handle donald trump and he's trying to tell people, yes, i can. >> you look at the hypothetical match-ups gain trump. he does better than hillary clinton does in the latest poll at least. how do you think he hangs on to that edge? >> i think he hangs on to that edge, one, because hypothetical polls. the idea is that people are just trying -- people are kind of considering something that hasn't happened yet. that's one of the reasons why he hangs on to it. people are wondering, if i do have to vote for bernie sanders what does that mean? i also think this election as we've talked about before, alex,
is all about insiders and outsiders. if you put two outsiders together, donald trump and bernie sanders, donald trump is alienated a lot of people the way he spoke about people, mexicans and muslim and women are turned off by his rhetoric. that's what you're seeing. that idea. it is important to note that hillary clinton also beats donald trump in these numbers. i think that while he beat them by a bigger margin which he loves to talk about the idea is that both democrats beat donald trump. >> abby, hillary clinton just really squeaked by in missouri in the primary there this week, winning by fewer than 1500 votes or so. anything we can read into that? >> i think what's interesting about tuesday's election is the clinton campaign walked into that day believing that they would, in fact, lose missouri. lose ohio, lose illinois. the fact that they were even able to squeeze by in missouri was seen as a major victory for them. these are states that are supposed to be more favorable to bernie sanders. they have a higher percentage of the population who's white.
bernie sanders has struggled with non-white voter, minority voter, african-american nsz particular, who have stuck with hillary clinton. so i think the narrow victory in missouri was sort of, you know, in terms of expectations, better than the clinton campaign expected. and i think certainly the bernie sanders campaign had telegraphed that these are some of the states that he should have done well in. but did not. and, if anything, what i does show if hillary clinton was able to eke that out, it's because she perhaps had a superior organization that was able to mobilize, you know, dozens of people to the polls when she needed them the most. that's a sort of thing that becomes more important as we go towards the general election. >> but interesting, abby, you taught about what the expectations were for the clinton camp but you wrote about the fact that the team hoped tuesday would be so decisive that sanders would have to drop out. how damaging is it for hillary clinton the longer bernie sanders keeps hanging on? >> well, you know, i think as long as this primary keeps going
on it defers the general election against an opponent who looks very likely to beat donald trump but it could also be either ted cruz or john kasich. that's a scenario that -- a lot of democrats are getting a little uneasy. they're getting pretty antsy about the need to sort of start raising money for the general election, to start organizing for a general election. and running against bernie sanders is taking resources away from that fight. on the other hand, i do think that what a lot of other democrats are saying is that hillary clinton is benefiting in many ways from bernie sanders drawing her out and forcing her to consider scenarios and to reach out to voters in parts of the country that she may not have been able to do. this campaign is -- regardless of what happens in the upcoming primaries, it's going to continue on until the convention. and i think that that's a scenario that the clinton campaign is resigned to. i don't think that they love that fact. but they are resigned to that being the case. and i think that they view it as
something that if they're going to have to do it, they're going to use it as a tool to organize and get their message and strategy together. >> can i ask you quickly on the republican side, both of you, predictions for arizona and utah come tuesday? >> i think it's hard because i think that while people -- we see the republicans coming -- getting closer and closer to trying to organizing and more unified anti-trump position, i think that trump has really shown that he is -- he can continue on. so while mitt romney says that he's going to be voting for ted cruz, that really organizes maybe the base, organizes people who wanted to see an establishment candidate. but i think donald trump, unless something completely different happens, he might be able to pull out both of these. >> abby? >> i think utah is a critical test. it's about whether the republican establishment has any credibility left. can they move kasich's voters into ted cruz's camp and consolidate to defeat trump? if they can't do that, it might very well be too late. utah has a huge chunk of
delegates at stake. if donald trump is able to pull out a win over 50%, it's going to be very hard to stop him going into the convention. >> okay. abby philips, lady, thanks so much. good to see you both. city ahead, hillary clinton's trouble with the technology sector. you're doing the hear how silicon valley is pouring money into sanders and anyone but trump pacts. it's coming up at the bottom of the hour. turning now overseas into a developing story for you. the capture of europe's most wanted funlgive, the prime suspect behind last year's paris attacks is being questioned by police. he was released from the hospital after being injured during a raid in brussels. joining me now from belgium, the daily beast foreign editor, good too see you, as always. >> good morning, alex. always a pleasure. >> you're in mullenbeck. where does investigation go now, especially since he was
apertured alive. >> well, i think they made eight point to capture alive. they shot him in the leg. they didn't want him dead by any circumstance because he's going to be a fount of information, they figure. he knew how the thing was organized. he was instrumental in bringing people down to paris. he was acquainted with at least most of the suicide bombers. and he probably knows who was behind it in syria with the islamic state. so there's quite a story that he can tell. >> he was supposed to be a suicide bomber, as well, by reports all over the place. do police know if that just went wrong? >> no, he chickened out. i mean, it was really clear. i was just rereading the statement that isis made about the bombings in paris. and it went on and on about how our people have decided to divorce this world and go to god's world and become martyrs. and there are eight of them. well, in paris seven people blew
themselves up and one person did not. that one person was salah abdeslam. he decided to call his buddies around here and asked them to come back here. >> who were these buddies? >> they were friends of his. it's not clear if they were directly involved in the plot, how much they knew about it. but look, there are a lot of guys hanging out on the street here, a lot of unemployment, a lot of guys going to bars like the one that they used to run, where they sold a lot of grass. i mean, so it's that kind of environment. so you call up your buddy, you say i'm in trouble, i screwed up, i don't know what's going on. and you think -- the thing you have to remember about abdeslam. he was supposed to be a martyr and decided not to do it. he was probably not only hiding from the police, he probably was hiding from isis at some point. >> and given all that, given what his mental state may be in
the last four months being on the run and hiding from everybody, do you think that coupled with the fact that he chickened out, as you say, do you think he's going to be a fount of information when being questioned by police? >> yeah, i think that makes him very vulnerable. i think the police have a lot of advantages now in a way that they would not have had four months ago. they have a great baseline for interrogation. when you're questioning somebody, when you're interrogatining somebody, you'v seen it in a million cop movie, it's about convincing them that you know maybe even more -- maybe lot more than you do but that you know where they've been, what they've been up to, who their friends are. you can lie to them. you can tell them that their friends have basically sold them out. you can do a lot of things. they will have all of those tools at their disposal. and once they get him back to france, they've got quite a long time to work on him. >> and when do you think he will get to france? >> well, that's not all together clear. it could be a matter of a couple
of days. it could be a couple of weeks. i don't think it will be as much of a month. he may decide to fight it but i don't think that the belgians are going to make it easy for them to fight it. they want to get him back to paris. the french want to get him back there, too. >> christopher dickey, thank you so much. he has a republican to thank for the boost. who is the republican senator calling for a nomination vote and why? that's next. ♪ ♪
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have a clean nomination process on the merits. and presidents, whether they're democrats or republicans, are only going to be able to get their nominees through when they have their own party controlling the senate. at that point the judiciary becomes a pure extension of politics. and that damages people's faith in the judiciary. >> joining me now senator robert kasie, democrat for pennsylvania. senator, always good to see you, sir. i want to ask you right off the bat, is the president right here? if the situation were flipped and he were a republican nominating a right-leaning judge would democrats be putting up a fight? >> i think the president's right, alex, for a couple reasons. the constitution directs him to nominate a justice. and it all directs the senate to advise and consent. so i don't think there's any question he's correct.
look, democrats faces very similar situation in 1988. democratic senate republican president ronald reagan, after two terms, just like president obama's completing, and democrats had a process where then judge kennedy was considered, he became justice kennedy because there was a vote that i guess was about 97-0. so that's the way the process should work. it doesn't -- nothing in the constitution says you only have this process play out when you feel like it or when it's politically convenient. so i think the record is pretty clear. i think the constitution could not be clearer about republicans' duty to simply do their job. >> when you think about antonin scalia and he was such a constitutionalist, you got to wonder what he would be thinking about this fight. let's talk about your colleague from illinois, senator mark kirk, the first senator to call for a vote for judge garland. >> just man up and cast a vote.
the tough thing about these senatorial jobs is you get yes or no votes. your whole job is to either say yes or no and explain why. >> i'm curious, why won't any republicans even give garland a hearing. it wouldn't mean they would have to vote for him. >> i doesn't make any sense. he's right. here's how strange things are, alex. and here's how obnoxious the position is. we're report -- the news organizations like msnbc are reporting even when a republican senator agrees to meet with the nominee. that's how -- that's how bizarre this is. just having a meeting with him is considered major progressi. they should meet with him or not but at least consider his record, cast a vote. they can all vote against him if they'd want. but this position they have is untenable. i think a lot of americans are saying, when i go to work, i've got to do my job. i've got to do the basic elements of my job.
there's one legislative body in the world that has the privilege to vote on supreme court nominations and it happens to be the u.s. senate. we should just vote up or down. >> kirk is one of the many who will be fighting to keep his seat in november. how do you think the supreme court issue is going to impact them when these americans who have to go to their jobs go to the ballot boxes? do you think it will be a primary thought when you hit the ballot box? >> i think it will be. i can't estimate the impact of it but i think it will be because, look, alex, you know from covering the senate, usually when you vote in the senate, almost every time you walk in and vote and you would have been out there's no formality to it. one of the few times when there's a formality, when every senator who is present is sitting at their desk, is when we vote on the supreme court. that's how grave and serious a matter this is. and for them to treat it with pure politics, and i also would argue, and i think the evidence is pretty clear, this is directed at president obama.
and i think a lot of people take offense to that. but even if that were not the case, just the fact that republicans, for whatever reason, don't think this is part of their job to advise, to consent, or not consent, and then to vote. >> there are some progressives who are raising questions about garland because of his record on abortion and women rights. it's fairly murky. the national organization for women calls it more or less a blank slate. do you share any of those concerns? i'm curious what else you think you need to know about him before you would cast a vote? >> i have not reviewed his record yet so i have some work to do. that remains to be seen for a lot of members of the senate. but that's what we're supposed to be doing. right? that's the part of the process where you're reading opinions or reviewing the record more generally, asking him questions. i hope to have that opportunity. i think i will. but it's really -- it's really contrary to the constitution that senators are saying they
can fulfill the duties of their job by not considering a nominee and not voting up or down on that nominee or not even meeting with him. i don't know ho you you hold a supreme court nominee in your waiting room when they've come to meet with you. >> do you think this boils down to ultimately being a question about a potential change of course for the supreme court for an entire generation and the fact is that the conservatives are trying to hang on to their slim majority because it could flip from what was perceived as basically a 5-4 to a 5-4 for the other side. >> it may be. but it's still no excuse for not advising, consenting, and voting. the way you register your disagreement with where the court might go, the direction it might take is to volt no. but not voting i don't think is an option. i think the constitution has a lot of shall in it, shall do x, y, z and this is one of them. >> thank you so much for your
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at chase atms. technology designed for you. so you can easily master the way you bank. welcome back to msnbc world headquarters in new york. the place for politics. i'm alex witt. arizona will be the biggest payout in terms of delegates. it is winner take all for republicans. the winner will get 58 delegates. for democrats, 85 up for grabs. in utah, 40 delegates. for republicans, 37 for democrats. and in idaho only democrats are picking, 27 delegates are at stake there. the latest delegate count shows clinton with 1579 there. sanders with 859. on the republican side, donald trump has 685 delegates to cruz's 427. john kasich has 143. hillary clinton unlike her democratic rival has no campaign
events scheduled this weekend but the candidate has been busy fund-raising. yesterday in connecticut and virginia. the campaign announced it has reached the 1 million donor mark. let's bring in rick wade, former senior adviser at obama campaign and hillary clinton supporter. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> is this week's emphasis on fund-raising, is it beginning to focus on a general election campaign? >> well, listen, i mean, you can't have a campaign without resources. so it's not like she's off duty this week. but she is spending time fund-raising. but it's certainly to continue. her movement, her campaign, to the democratic nomination. and going forward obviously to november. the take on may be republican nominee donald trump. >> okay. let's look back at your record having supported barack obama back in '08 against hillary clinton. why didn't you support her back then? what were your concerns? >> well, listen, i wanted to take my time to evaluate all the candidates. and the thing that -- the
turning point for me, alex, was her economic place about the economy. she has a strong and comprehensive economic plan, investing in african-american and minority communities across south carolina. i spent a lot of time on the ground in south carolina during the last primary and i heard that over and over and over again, that that message was resonating because it is the issue that is most important to certainly african-americans across the country. >> all right. hillary clinton has certainly been winning with the african-american women in the primaries so far. we've got jonathan allen who has just written in politico more than any other set of voter, black women are propelling clinton toward the general election. why do you think mrs. clinton enjoys this kind of support from african-american women? >> well, you know, hillary clinton is not a johnny come lately to this whole conversation. certainly not political discourse. and leading our country and representing issues. not only that are important to women but to all african-americans. her work many years ago with the childrens defense fun, working
in south carolina to help keep young african-american kids from juvenile prisons, and the list goes on and on and on. and i think the reali the is, she's been there for african-americans for years past and there is something very special. when i then senator obama's campaign we talked a lot about what it meant for barack obama to black boys across america. and i think that's something special. i want young black girls to think about -- the reality they could become president regardless of gender, regardless of race in america. and i think so, on the one end, issues on policy but on the other end the inspiration that she brings giving women hope, breaking down barriers, equal pay for women across america and the work that she's done across the world to make sure that women are integral part of the fabric of this world and the society we live? >> mrs. clinton certainly won big on tuesday, sweeping all five states then. observers are saying she is already internally focusing
towards the general election. but she has senator sanders in her way. h he told rachel maddow thursday not to rule him out. do you think he is still a concern to the clinton camp? >> well, you know, i respect the fact that senator clinton is not having conversations, is not going to have a conversation about whether bernie sanders should stay in or not. i think it's good for democratic process, for sanders to be in the competition and when he chooses to make a decision, that's his choice. but the reality is, you know, last tuesday's vote was decisive. you know, when you think about stakes that are upcoming in april, california, new york, pennsylvania, 45% of the remaining delegates will come from those states. she will do very well there. so i think she does have an insurmountable lead moving towards the nomination. but, you know, bernie sanders certainly has the money. i think he will probably will do well in the next round of competition on next tuesday. but i think hillary clinton is
certainly on the right pathway, staying focused on her message, moving -- breaking down barriers in america. addressing issues of income inequality, particularly around her economic plan. that's what's going to propel her. making america, you know, not so much great again but making it whole, breaking down barriers. that's what's going to sustain her to the nomination and hopefully to the general election to defeat donald trump. >> all those states you mentioned in april, we should point out california is june 7th. it may all be decided by then. we'll see. thank you so much, rick wade. good to see you. protester tensions at a tump rally in salt lake city. today more turbulence is expected in arizona. we have a live report, next. look like this.
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protests. we saw them last night in salt lake city, donald trump holding his rally inside while demonstrators clashed outside. today activists in arizona, immigration rights activists, are expected to be demonstrating at his events in tucson, in phoenix. earlier this morning as well, a little bit later this morning, this has become kind of the norm though for donald trump rallies. we've seen him interrupted again and again inside and outside by people who are coming out and protesting. his supporters and his demonstrators, we saw last night in salt lake city his supporters uninvolved in this. more of the action as you're watching the video there was on the side of the demonstrators. >> do you get any sense that this rattles donald trump at all, having these protesters, or does he sort of build on that? >> you know, that's a good question. i think that when it first began, remember something that happened at basically every donald trump rally and they've happened for months now. i tell you, last weekend i was with him at a rally there when somebody tried to jump the
stage. and donald trump looked a little rattled at that point. that's when secret service came up and surrounded him. at this point it's almost become -- i don't want to say a catch phrase but something that trump uses, the phrase get them out of here, people call on him to do that at his rallies. somebody will begin protesting and people start egging donald trump on to yell at them to get him out. it's something i don't want to say it's part of his brand but it's certainly become a standard part of some of his events that you go to. >> what about campaign staffers? do you get a sense they're concerned about all of this talk of a brokered convention? do they think it's a real possibility? >> i think when you look at the republican field as a whole there is a sense this is absolutely something that could happen, particularly if donald trump doesn't get to a 1237 to lock up the delegates he needs. right now trump needs to get 55 to 60% of the delegates left in order to make it to that number which seems like a lot but it's actually the least of anybody else in the field. so all the campaigns are preparing in the event there is
a contested convention including trump's campaign. i'm told by senior adviser they have staff onboard to focus specifically on delegate count and on how to work the strategy if, in fact, we do go to convention in july. >> okay. hallie jackson, one of the hardest working women i should add on the campaign trail. thank you so much from tucson. let's bring in senior fellow at the manhattan institute and campaign adviser to mitt romney. welcome to you. let's talk about john kasich's function in the race at this point. do you think that he thinks he really could emerge the wiber w at the convention? >> well, he may have a fantasy of being the candidate who comes out of a brokered convention but there is just no way that will happen. he has way too few delegates to be really competitive. if trump isn't the nominee after the convention it would have to be ted cruz because ted cruz is the only guy whose remotely close to the number of delegates that donald trump has. >> i know that you're a former rubio backer and adviser so you
have a little bit of perspective me here now, a few days from the end of his campaign. what would you have told him to do differently? >> you know, i don't know if i would have told marco to do anything differently. i think that he ran actually a really good campaign. the challenge he had was that the field was so talented, ironically that hurt him because marco rubio was the candidate who was acceptable to the broadest range of people in the republican party. so jeb bush had an incentive to run $30 million of ads against him. ted cruz had an incentive to run tens of millions of dollars of ads against him. when you have every single faction of the republican party against you because you're taking market share from them, you're kind of caught in the middle. i think that's what happened to marco in this race. >> i know earlier this week you put out a call for the rubio supporters to push those support over to ted cruz. i'm curious why cruz and not kasich, is it a numbers game for you or ideology? >> it's both. i think that cruz more accurately represents the broad
conservative republican consensus on policy. whereas john kasich doesn't. john kasich famously embraced the affordable care act's expansion of medicaid in ohio over and above the objection of his own legislature. they are deeply concerned about that. so ted cruz represents more of that policy consensus compared to kasich. and i think that's where rubio is as well. >> okay. ovik roy, thank you for your time. >> thank you. are warnings and worries about social security's demise valid? sales event is on.
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helene, that is shocking, that number. why haven't americans been prepare for retirement? >> americans mostly can't afford to prepare for a retirement. several decades ago we switched over from a system where people relied on social security and pensions. and instead of pensions, we're given access to 401(k)s and other designed contribution plans. in fact, what's happened is they can't afford to put money in. and in addition, half of all americans don't even have a workplace retirement plan. >> all right. let's get right to social security here. is hillary clinton has been proposing to secure for future generations by having the wealthy contribute more as well as expanding benefits to widows and give credit to caregivers. do you think that would work? >> it would definitely help. what hillary clinton hasn't done is been terribly specific about how this is going to happen. bernie sanders' plan has been more specific about how he wants to accomplish it. of course it also helps he's a senator and he's actually proposed legislation.
so his legislation would have it they would lift the payroll tax cap which is the people do not pay taxes for social security on income in excess of $118,500 this year and i he would lift it on people earning more than $250,000 so they could, in turn, give people an average benefit increase of about $65 a month. >> what about ted cruz who wants to benefits to remain the same for the seniors, wants a gradual increase of retirement age, grow the benefits to then match inflation, allow portions of tax payments to fund personal accounts, viable? >> this stuff isn't very popular with people. i mean, it's worth noting that the candidates and the republicans side, rubio, chr christie and jeb bush are no longer in the race. people want social security to stay as it is. and, in fact, when they talk about it they're very concerned because they know they don't have enough money for retirement
saved. >> what about donald trump? he hasn't spoken on social security beyond saying it hasn't been changed? >> that's a popular position. i would say and i don't want to sound like a trump supporter here, i would say that is in part part of the reason for his popularity. he has vehemently said and the only one in the republican candidates who have said that he believes social security should remain as it is. he's not said how he wants to accomplish that. >> okay. thank you so much for talking about it in "the index card." you might think after supporting president obama silicon valley would go for hillary clinton. no. where is the tech industry putting its political dollar? you'll find out next. ♪ the roles you play in life are part of what make you, you. and you're not going to let anything keep you sidelined. that's why you drink ensure with nutritious calories, 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. come on grandma!
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in the international business times. and joining me now, michael, tech media and culture editor of that paper. with a good morning to you and welcome, michael, let's lock at this article. 92% of the president's tech donors who supported him in 2012, they have yet to contribute any significant amount this season. >> yeah. >> why the hold up? >> to give you a sense of the context. silicon valley has become the most important source of political money over the last ten years. since 2008, tech workers have donated $172 million into the political process. it's bigger than hollywood at this point. but the problem that hillary has got is she's running well behind where obama was in 2008 or 2012 and bernie sanders is a million dollars ahead of her in fund raising. >> how surprising is this to you? enthusiasm gap for hillary clinton because let's talk about bill clinton's popularity among silicon valley. he's popular there. >> that's right. he created silicon valley as a political atm for democrats.
he passed nafta, the 1996 telecommunications about. these fueled the bubble that created many, many millionaires and billionaires in silicon valley and they in turn gave reliably to democrats. so, you know, those people turned out very heavily for obama in 2008 and 2012. and so it's just kind of ironic that hillary hasn't been able to excite them this time around. >> why do you think sanders has that 1 million more in the bank and who is supporting him? >> these are tech worker '. they're not the ceos. not the larry pages, not the tim cooks of the world. these are coders and tech workers. quite wealthy. and he's been raising it from -- raised $2.4 million so far from kind of small donations from the rank and file. >> if my director can put back up that graphic and shows how much the technology sector has donated. look at donald trump, 12,000 bucks. techies seem to like him less than hillary clinton by a long margin. why is that? >> that shouldn't shock anybody.
donald trump, his rhetoric on trade, you know, his boycott of the iphone over the encryption issue. these are things that matter to people in silicon value i will and they're pretty emotional about it. it means a lot to them. silicon valley don't give because they want somebody in return so much as they want to be inspired. and they want like an optimistic vision of what tech is about in the future. and donald trump really isn't delivering that. it shouldn't shock anyone that he hasn't raised money there. in fact, you're going to see a lot of this money, you know, pour into the pacts opposing him. >> other than that, though, what do you think it's going to take and who do you think might be the person who excite or is it just not going to happen this president shul season? >> well, now -- look, this data we're looking at is backward looking in until the end of january. the conventional wisdom is now it's boiled down to trump versus clinton as front-runners, that the money would start to flow clinton's way. so, you know, i think that's
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